SEGMENT ONE: Shahram’s Testimony

Barack Obama speaks in Cairo Egypt 06-04-09One of the most asked questions I get when I go out and speak somewhere is, “Is Obama a Muslim?” Today we are going to try to answer this question by laying out the evidence to support our claim that President Obama is still a Muslim.

Before we get started on this subject I would like to share Shahram Hadian’s, the co-host on our Saturday broadcast, testimony on how he came out of Islam and became a Christian pastor. We will explain why Obama’s claim to have left Islam and become a Christian don’t ring true to someone who was once a Muslim.
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What follows is Shahram’s testimony:

“First of all, Tom, you are absolutely right that we get this question all of the time. In fact I think I have a standing record personally that I have not had a presentation of Islam where I have not gotten this question, so I’m a hundred percent on this question.

“You are absolutely right though, that as a former Muslim, for the listeners that are hearing us for the first time, I was born in Iran. I was born as a Muslim, as we left Iran in 1978.

“I became a Christian 15 years ago. And when I became a Christian there was nothing in me that wanted to make me retain any aspect of my upbringing as a Muslim. Now I’m not talking about cultural things because I am also a Persian and I have cultural things. I’m talking about having a Muslim background. There’s nothing of me that wanted to keep my Muslim background. I never glorified Islam after I became a Christian, I began to understand the truth of the Word of God. I began to understand the Jesus Christ is the one God, the only God, and that Islam is a false belief system.

“So, Tom, when I see a person who claims to be, in this case our President, who claims to be a Christian and yet everything about him is screaming ‘I’m a Muslim,’ and then I have my Christian friends who tell me ‘Shahram, you’re just wrong, he says he’s a Christian’ I have a problem with that, Tom, because I know many, many former Muslims, and every former Muslim I know that has a true testimony of their faith in Jesus Christ, never glorifies Islam. Never! They never come and say, ‘Well you know, There’s still some really good parts of Islam, or, you know, the prayers is beautiful, you know, or things we’re going to talk about later in the show, Tom, were going to talk about these things, we’re going to unpack them, but I never have former Muslims come to me and say, ‘You know, Islam isn’t really that bad’ or its a ‘peaceful religion.’ No! They awaken to it, understand what it is, they come out of it, they understand they’ve come out of the darkness into light of Christ, of the Kingdom of God, so, yes, I have a major with this whole issue because we’re not looking at the evidence, we’re not looking at the fruit, we’re only looking at what somebody is saying, in this case the President and we must examine the fruit, why is he a Muslim, why you and I, Tom, so confident that he is a Muslim, that’s what we’re going to unpack on the show?

We want you to understand that we are not saying these things just to oppose Obama because we don’t like him or the color of his skin. If you think that we are so prejudicial that we will just through anything out against someone then you haven’t been following this ministry.

We are going to lay out the evidence that is based upon empirical evidence, evidence that cannot be refuted.

We will look at things Obama has said, things that he has done, things that we know to be true. Just because he says he is a Christian doesn’t make it so. There are many who claim to be Christians who don’t know anything about what a true Christian is. They have not truly been born again. The Bible says that many will claim to be believers who are not.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Mat 7:21-23

There will be those who think they are Christians, and will find themselves in the pits of Hell.

This is why it is so important that pastors equip the saints to be able to discern good and evil, how to discern what is good fruit and what is bad fruit.

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How many Christians voted for Obama because he said he was a Christian? Many Christians voted for Obama because he said he was a Christian. Our concern is that so many Christians have so little discernment on things like this. Jesus warned of the day when some would come in His name saying they were followers of Christ, when they were not.

Another aspect we most look at is that specifically in Islam Muslims are permitted to lie. There are those who think they are Christians and are not, but we must understand that Muslims can pretend to be Christians if it will advance the cause of Islam. This is allowed because the Qur’an says that Allah is the “greatest of deceivers.”

It is difficult to know one’s heart in this area. This is why, when it comes to those who claim to have left Islam, we must examine the fruit.


How Does One Become A Muslim, and How Does One Leave Islam?

First let’s look at how one becomes a Muslim. First, one can convert to Islam by simply by saying with conviction, “La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadur rasoolu Allah,” This saying means “There is no true god (deity) but God (Allah),1 and Muhammad is the Messenger (Prophet) of God.”

One can also be forced to convert to Islam. We see this happening in Iraq right now as Christians are being forced to convert, pay a tax, leave, or die.

The way most become Muslims is by birth. If one is born of Muslim parents, or even if only one’s father is a Muslim, he automatically becomes a Muslim. It has nothing to do with the mother. This is how Shahram became a Muslim. His parents and grandparents were Muslims, so he was a Muslim.

We know that Obama’s father was a Muslim. We don’t know for sure about his mother, but that doesn’t matter.

How does one stop being a Muslim? Once one is born a Muslim the only way to stop being a Muslim is to become an apostate and formally renounce Islam.

A perfect example of this is what was in the news recently from Sudan. Miriam Ibrahim, a Christian Sudanese woman, was in jail for converting to Christianity. The father of her children was a Christian so the Islamic government of Sudan didn’t recognize him because he was a Christian. If the father had been a Muslim the children would have been considered Muslims. Miriam’s father was a Muslim, but her Christian mother raised her as a Christian so, by our way of thinking, she never was a Muslim, but to the Islamic world she was. Therefore, although she had never practiced Islam, she was considered a convert from Islam, which according to Islamic law, is a capital offense.

President Obama’s father was a Muslim so must he must formally renounce Islam to stop being a Muslim and become a true Christian. There must be evidence that the person has left the faith otherwise you are still considered a Muslim. The evidence could be that they become a Christian and as such they start practicing the Christian faith. But the only way you can fully know is that there is a formal denunciation of Islam. Once you do this you become and apostate, and the punishment for apostasy is death.

We must ask the question, has the President, who was born to a Muslim father, who grew up in Indonesia as a Muslim and went to a Madras (an Islamic school), where he studied the Qur’an, has he ever denounce Islam? Has anyone ever heard him say, “I am no longer a Muslim, I have left Islam, I consider Islam false and Allah is not the true God?”

We will give more evidence, but I want you to know that it is that clear cut in Islamic law. We are not talking about what we think, we are talking about what is recognized Islam law.

This is a crucial point. Just because a Muslim claims to have become a believer in Jesus Christ, doesn’t make it so. To find out if he is really a Christian you mist find out if he willingly and publicly has, or will, renounced Islam. If they have not and refuse to do so, or if they are evasive on the subject keep them at arm’s length.

One of our biggest issues with Obama is that he has not done this. We do have evidence of him telling Christians that he is a Christian, but there is also evidence of his telling Muslims that he is a Muslim. The most credible evidence of this is back when he made his apology tour for America. He went to two Muslim nations, Egypt and Turkey, and told in private to the Egyptian Foreign Minister that he was a Muslim. Although this was said in private, the Egyptian Foreign Minister made it public on Egyptian TV. Here is what he said:

The American President told me, in confidence, that he is a Muslim. He asked the Muslim world to show patience, Obama promised that once he overcame some domestic problems (i.e. health care) that he would show the Muslim world what he would do with Israel.

This is well documented in various sources.

We need to look at Obama’s claims to becoming a Christian. The are based upon his supposedly biblical teachings that he received from Pastor Jeremiah Wright at the United Church of Christ. We must understand that Obama’s testimony of conversion hinges on this man. Pastor Wright is the one who supposedly led him to Christ.

Before we get into the issue of Jeremiah Wright I want us to understand that Obama, instead of renouncing Islam, glorifies it. He said that one of the most beautiful sounds to him is the Islamic call to prayer at sunset. We talked about his calling the Qur’an the Holy Qur’an last week and rather that repeating it you can read our notes on this subject.

In an interview of Ed Klein on his new book “The Amature” by Sean Hannity, Mr. Klein said the following:

Ed Klein — May 14, 2012

“The Reverend Wright told me on tape that Obama came to him and said, ‘I need some spiritual advice. I don’t know exactly who I am.’

And the Reverend Wright said, (this is on tape) ‘Well we know your Islam background, and you have that. But what you need now is some coaching on Christianity.’

And I asked the Reverend Wright, ‘Did you convert him from being a Muslim to a Christian?’

He said, ‘Well I don’t know if I could go that far but I can tell you that I made it comfortable for him to accept Christianity without having to renounce his Islamic background.’”

Who is Ed Klein? He was Foreign correspondent for United Press International, the Newsweek, foreign editor and then assistant managing editor with jurisdiction over foreign and military affairs, and the New York Times. As editor in chief, he led the Sunday Times to new heights. During his editorship, The New York Times Magazine won the first Pulitzer Prize in its history.

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Is Jeremiah Wright’s Church Christian?

There is not question that when Obama went to Jeremiah Wright he was a Muslim. The question is did he leave Islam. We also need to understand the Jeremiah Wright was teaching Black Liberation Theology in his church. This doctrine is anything but biblical. Among other things it teaches collective salvation among other serious errors.

You can listen to the interview here;

One Christian evangelist, who is an Egyptian, called Jeremiah Wright’s church posing as a Muslim. He asked if he could join the church even if he was a Muslim. The answer was “sure, we have many Muslims who are members of our church.”

How many true Christian churches do you know of that have “many Muslims who are members?” If this doesn’t raise red flags for you, I doubt that anything will. At best we could call this church “chrislamic.” We have numerous articles on Chrislam on our website.

If that is n ot enough this church invites Louis Farrakhan to come an preach. Louis Farrakhan is the leader of the religious group Nation of Islam (NOI). He served as the minister of major mosques in Boston and Harlem, and was appointed by the longtime NOI leader, Elijah Muhammad, as the National Representative of the Nation of Islam.

Why would a church have this man speak if it didn’t agree with his doctrine? Not only has he been invited to speak, but this church has given him a lifetime honor award. The relationship between Farrakhan and the Chicago United Church of Christ is bound by Black Liberation Theology.

Chrislam teaches that one can be a Christian and a Muslim at the same time. Obama fits this “religion” perfectly.

As you heard in the interview above, Jeremiah Wright admits that Obama never really became a Christian. He was coached on how to talk the talk. Wright said that he made it comfortable for Obama to accept Christianity without renouncing his Islamic background. Remember, you can only stop being a Muslim if you completely renounce Islam, something that Obama has never done.

It can’t be much more clear than this. Wright tought Obama how to play the Christian without actually becoming a Christian.

Some will say that Obama claims to be a Christian and why can’t we just take him at his word? There is a song that says “Your talk talks, and your walk talks, but your walk talks louder than your talk talks,” Matthew 7:15-16 tells us the same thing:

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Mat 7:15-16

This tells us that we are to judge the tree by its fruit. As Spirit led Christians we are to look at the fruit of the tree and see how it measures up to the Scriptures. We don’t get grapes from thorns, nor to we get figs from thistles. There are two types of almond trees, one is bitter and the other is sweet. Once the flowers are gone you cannot tell the difference until you examine the fruit.

At the National Prayer Breakfast in February 2014 Obama said:

And here we give thanks for His guidance in our own individual faith journeys. In my life, He directed my path to Chicago and my work with churches who were intent on breaking the cycle of poverty in hard-hit communities there. And I’m grateful not only because I was broke and the church fed me, but because it led to everything else. It led me to embrace Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. It led me to Michelle — the love of my life — and it blessed us with two extraordinary daughters. It led me to public service. And the longer I serve, especially in moments of trial or doubt, the more thankful I am of God’s guiding hand.

Remember that the church he is talking about here is the Chicago United Church of Christ. We have already seen that this is not a true Christian church. The Jesus that it preaches another gospel (Galatians 1:6-7) and a false christ (Matthew 20:24).

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President Obama’s Own Statements

So this Easter Week, of course we recognize that there’s a lot of pain and a lot of sin and a lot of tragedy in this world, but we’re also overwhelmed by the grace of an awesome God. We’re reminded how He loves us, so deeply, that He gave his only begotten Son so that we might live through Him. And in these Holy Days, we recall all that Jesus endured for us — the scorn of the crowds and the pain of the crucifixion, in our Christian religious tradition we celebrate the glory of the Resurrection — all so that we might be forgiven of our sins and granted everlasting life.

When we listen to this it sounds pretty convincing. There is a problem with this when we examine the fruit of Obama’s life. We have shown you that he has been taught that there is no problem with him accepting Christianity without renouncing Islam. The question is, is he a Christian or a Muslim? How are we to discern? We are told by the Scriptures to try the spirits to see if they are of God or not.

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1Jo 4:1-3

Here we are told that any spirit that does not confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is the spirit of antichrist. If you follow Fortress of Faith you know that Islam denies that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. It denies that Jesus is God, that He is the Son of God, that He died on the cross and was resurrected. How can someone be a Muslim and espouse these Christian doctrines? There are two answers. Either they are operating under Chrislam, or they are a Muslim and they are lying about being a Christian. Remember, this last one is permuted under Islam. We can’t read Obama’s mind or see into his heart so you can pick whichever you like, both of them are deception.

One other evidence that Obama is a Muslim is the support he receives from Muslims. Although he claims to be a Christian, his support always seems to be with Islam. His foreign policy most often favors Islamc nations at the risk of America’s security. He has opened doors for the Muslim Brotherhood in this nation. He comes out of Chicago and Chicago has been the headquarters for the Muslim Brotherhood in America for a number of years.

Here is an interesting statistic. A Gallup poll of religious organizations on their approval or disapproval of President Obama shows that 72% of the Muslims in America approve of what Obama is doing. Contrast this with the 43% approval by the nation at large. This is not surprising to those of you who follow Fortress of Faith. We have shown how Obama supports Islam at almost every turn. In his book “The Audacity of Hope” he said “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” His position cannot be much more clear.

There is a notion among most Christians in America that we are not to judge others. This comes from a misunderstanding of one verse. There are many other verses that command us to judge. What do you think John is talking about in the verse we quoted above. We are to try, or judge, the spirits. What do you think Paul meant when he said, “But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man?” (1Co 2:15)

Obama supports some of the most un-Christian things in his policies. This is the most pro-homosexual administration, the most pro-abortion administration, etc. How can a man who is a true Christian support these things?

The same man who said, “…the killing of the innocent is never fulfilling God’s will; in fact, it’s the ultimate betrayal of God’s will.” at the Prayer Breakfast last February is supporting abortion and the killing of innocent children.

Don’t we see a problem between Obama’s words and his fruit? On he other hand we see that the fruit matches his being a Muslim. How does his killing of the unborn fit into his Islamic framework? If you are killing non-Muslims, Islam has no problem with it. The killing of the non-Muslim children helps Islam because they are trying to grow their families faster than our, and when a non-Muslim child is aborted it helps them do this.

Why does Obama support homosexuality when we know that it is condemned by Islam? The answer is the same as above. Non-Muslim homosexuals don’t have children. The principle of jihad says that what ever advances the cause of Allah is acceptable.

You have seen the evidence, now you can decide if you think Obama is a Muslim or not. To us the answer seems obvious.


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